Big UK tournaments - Demonic Tutor2024-03-28T20:27:20Zhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/big-uk-tournaments?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A15198&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI've had a couple of further…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-06-03:3440403:Comment:163752010-06-03T12:08:36.352ZSimon Baldwinhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/lhsi
I've had a couple of further thoughts on this (I don't think they've been mentioned yet, but I might be wrong).<br />
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In places like the USA (and, as I think someone mentioned, France), the countries are a lot bigger geographically, and the transport system would be set up to accommodate this. I have heard that some people in America drive two hours to get to work (and two hours back) making long car journeys common place. In England, I don't think people travel as much, so would be less likely to…
I've had a couple of further thoughts on this (I don't think they've been mentioned yet, but I might be wrong).<br />
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In places like the USA (and, as I think someone mentioned, France), the countries are a lot bigger geographically, and the transport system would be set up to accommodate this. I have heard that some people in America drive two hours to get to work (and two hours back) making long car journeys common place. In England, I don't think people travel as much, so would be less likely to travel for an hour or two (by car). The need to do this is somewhat negated by lots of different towns and cities that have clubs that play Magic, so the 'Magic Community' travel less, the knock on effect being that some would be less likely to travel longer distances for big events. Obviously some players will travel across the country, but not everyone would and this may be one of the reasons why there aren't as many big events; there may be a willingness to play Magic, but not to travel too far for it. I completely understand your…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-21:3440403:Comment:152942010-05-21T17:47:55.716ZDaniel Roydehttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanielRoyde
I completely understand your point, and you're right- a magic community which had larger, harder ptqs would be a better magic community.<br />
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All I'm really saying is that smaller ptqs are easier. The selfish part of me likes that.<br />
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Winning a 50 man ptq and then scrubbing out on the PT was enormous fun for me!<br />
PT formats are always going to be different to what most people want to play. Since the number of qualified people is unlikely to increase, it will remain hard to test for the PT.
I completely understand your point, and you're right- a magic community which had larger, harder ptqs would be a better magic community.<br />
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All I'm really saying is that smaller ptqs are easier. The selfish part of me likes that.<br />
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Winning a 50 man ptq and then scrubbing out on the PT was enormous fun for me!<br />
PT formats are always going to be different to what most people want to play. Since the number of qualified people is unlikely to increase, it will remain hard to test for the PT. Well you aren't going to get…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-21:3440403:Comment:152932010-05-21T17:19:43.521ZRob Wagnerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/RobWagner
Well you aren't going to get to the stage of winning a PTQ if your attitude is that there is nothing in it for you for PTQs to be made bigger. Without there being a more competitive environment in Britain we will never have pro tour greats!
Well you aren't going to get to the stage of winning a PTQ if your attitude is that there is nothing in it for you for PTQs to be made bigger. Without there being a more competitive environment in Britain we will never have pro tour greats! I've got to get to the stage…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-21:3440403:Comment:152512010-05-21T09:00:02.519ZDaniel Roydehttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanielRoyde
I've got to get to the stage where I can win a ptq first...<br />
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Uni club took time and effort, but has been VERY worth it. A few years ago there was talk of them doing something to help make uni clubs easier to run- nothing came of it.<br />
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<cite>Rob Wagner said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/big-uk-tournaments?page=1&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A15244&x=1#3440403Comment15244"><div>How are big UK PTQs not beneficial to you? You get to play more magic…</div>
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I've got to get to the stage where I can win a ptq first...<br />
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Uni club took time and effort, but has been VERY worth it. A few years ago there was talk of them doing something to help make uni clubs easier to run- nothing came of it.<br />
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<cite>Rob Wagner said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/big-uk-tournaments?page=1&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A15244&x=1#3440403Comment15244"><div>How are big UK PTQs not beneficial to you? You get to play more magic against better players, thus cultivating a better attitude and play ability in yourself and your immediate magic group, thus allowing for stronger and stronger finishes at international events - what's the point of winning a 50 person PTQ then just scrubbing out of the PT? Dan I'm tempted to get a uni club together now :)</div>
</blockquote> How are big UK PTQs not benef…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-21:3440403:Comment:152442010-05-21T08:07:52.758ZRob Wagnerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/RobWagner
How are big UK PTQs not beneficial to you? You get to play more magic against better players, thus cultivating a better attitude and play ability in yourself and your immediate magic group, thus allowing for stronger and stronger finishes at international events - what's the point of winning a 50 person PTQ then just scrubbing out of the PT? Dan I'm tempted to get a uni club together now :)
How are big UK PTQs not beneficial to you? You get to play more magic against better players, thus cultivating a better attitude and play ability in yourself and your immediate magic group, thus allowing for stronger and stronger finishes at international events - what's the point of winning a 50 person PTQ then just scrubbing out of the PT? Dan I'm tempted to get a uni club together now :) 1) http://www.mtgtwincast.co.…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-20:3440403:Comment:152312010-05-20T23:16:56.810ZDaniel Roydehttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanielRoyde
1) <a href="http://www.mtgtwincast.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.mtgtwincast.co.uk/</a> has been around for a few years now, and that has ( or used to at least) a lot of UK magic info.<br />
Wizards inability to make a simple website which can present information is a problem- I seem to constantly be telling people when events are. DT is useful for this.<br />
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2) I agree with Tom- there needs to be a defined aim. I'll be honest and say that I'm not really keen on UK ptqs being huge- nothing in it for…
1) <a href="http://www.mtgtwincast.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.mtgtwincast.co.uk/</a> has been around for a few years now, and that has ( or used to at least) a lot of UK magic info.<br />
Wizards inability to make a simple website which can present information is a problem- I seem to constantly be telling people when events are. DT is useful for this.<br />
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2) I agree with Tom- there needs to be a defined aim. I'll be honest and say that I'm not really keen on UK ptqs being huge- nothing in it for me.<br />
I'd say the aim should really be something like "Increase the number of people who play DCI sanctioned magic".<br />
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3) Inter Uni/Area Magic- On behalf of my club (Imperial) I'll gladly challenge anyone. I'll drive a team somewhere, put people up in London, it doesn't matter- we'll destroy you ;)<br />
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4) @ Gary- Collaborating in a public forum really isn't ideal.<br />
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5) Making tournaments more attractive- My philosophy with drafts at uni has been to make it as cheap as possible, and not have prizes. The more prizes there are, the more the worse players subsidise the better ones, and that's not how I wanted my club to run. I think that for weekly things, you just want the barrier to entry to be as low as possible.<br />
I think that day/ weekend trips to play magic far away are fun, but I can easily understand why that doesn't appeal to a lot of people.<br />
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6) Sponsorship- I don't really understand what'd be in it for mike, everybody knows him. Maybe for Jimmy Chung (Firestorm) or the other smaller guys. I've added the PTQs for Amste…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-20:3440403:Comment:152222010-05-20T17:14:28.073ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
I've added the PTQs for Amsterdam to the Events section of the site:<br />
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<a href="http://demonictutor.ning.com/events/" target="_blank">http://demonictutor.ning.com/events/</a><br />
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Graham had already added the Southampton one which is cool. We should try and stay on top of these. Anyone can add an event so feel free if you notice anything missing :)<br />
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As for the wider problems, I wonder what it is we're actually trying to solve. Perhaps we should set ourselves a goal and work to make it happen? I'm…
I've added the PTQs for Amsterdam to the Events section of the site:<br />
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<a href="http://demonictutor.ning.com/events/" target="_blank">http://demonictutor.ning.com/events/</a><br />
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Graham had already added the Southampton one which is cool. We should try and stay on top of these. Anyone can add an event so feel free if you notice anything missing :)<br />
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As for the wider problems, I wonder what it is we're actually trying to solve. Perhaps we should set ourselves a goal and work to make it happen? I'm not sure what that goal would be, though? Even if we had a massive UK M…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-20:3440403:Comment:152102010-05-20T16:17:34.709ZDan Barretthttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanBarrett
Even if we had a massive UK Magic website that was excellent, we still have to get people to use it - i've given DT cards (directing people here) or written the URL down on a piece of paper probably 30 times in the last 6 months, and very few of these people bothered to sign up, and even those that did only check the site once a week for the most part. People like myself, Tom Baker, and others try to get people involved on a grass-roots level, but some just aren't interested.<br />
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Another issue is…
Even if we had a massive UK Magic website that was excellent, we still have to get people to use it - i've given DT cards (directing people here) or written the URL down on a piece of paper probably 30 times in the last 6 months, and very few of these people bothered to sign up, and even those that did only check the site once a week for the most part. People like myself, Tom Baker, and others try to get people involved on a grass-roots level, but some just aren't interested.<br />
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Another issue is that of collaboration - in a small country where PTQs are a field of 50-100, what incentive is there for a group of players who have an edge on everyone else to share their tech, improve everyone else's ability, and increase attendance? All it's going to do is diminish their excellent chances of qualifying!<br />
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There are a huge number of problems to solve with Magic in the UK to get it up to the standard of the rest of Europe, and i don't even know where to start with them, the above are just 2 I can see. Will post more later. I'm a new player. Since zendi…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-20:3440403:Comment:152082010-05-20T16:13:33.069ZThom Richardsonhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomRichardson
I'm a new player. Since zendikar, i've been drafting at the games club most weeks on monday or tuesday and turn up to some fridays or limited events on saturdays (pre-release etc) as of yet I've not made the jump across to constructed for a few reasons:<br />
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The cost of competitive standard decks is pretty riduclous. Especially if you have only just started collecting cards again.<br />
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The combination of the format looking a bit dull and not having played enough standard to be competitive makes…
I'm a new player. Since zendikar, i've been drafting at the games club most weeks on monday or tuesday and turn up to some fridays or limited events on saturdays (pre-release etc) as of yet I've not made the jump across to constructed for a few reasons:<br />
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The cost of competitive standard decks is pretty riduclous. Especially if you have only just started collecting cards again.<br />
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The combination of the format looking a bit dull and not having played enough standard to be competitive makes justifiying sinking a ton of money into a deck not that attractive a proposition.<br />
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Spend £80 on the rest of devastaing Red for the london qualifyer and probably get crushed or do 6 drafts for the same money and have a good chance of winning packs in each of them? I've been playing for 5 years…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-05-20:3440403:Comment:152062010-05-20T16:08:00.919ZSimon Baldwinhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/lhsi
I've been playing for 5 years, but only started doing to DCI sanctioned events about 3 years ago (and that was only drafting at a local-ish place). At first I mainly played big casual multi player games, with no prizes (apart from celebrating defeating everyone else) and it was still fun, so I don't know if getting bigger and bigger prizes is going to entice everyone to go along. Obviously some people will be drawn to events with big payouts for prizes, but its not going to interest everyone…
I've been playing for 5 years, but only started doing to DCI sanctioned events about 3 years ago (and that was only drafting at a local-ish place). At first I mainly played big casual multi player games, with no prizes (apart from celebrating defeating everyone else) and it was still fun, so I don't know if getting bigger and bigger prizes is going to entice everyone to go along. Obviously some people will be drawn to events with big payouts for prizes, but its not going to interest everyone (at the same time, it might discourage some from going along if they think that because there's a big prize most the people there are going to be overly competitive). Sometimes just the satisfaction of winning can be enough to get people to come along, or at least go along in the knowledge that they'd be able to have fun no matter if they win or loose. I'm liking the look of some of the possible formats in the big London event in the summer ( <a href="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/casual-play-fun-constructed" target="_blank">http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/casual-play-fun-constructed</a> ), like pauper and tribal wars, just because they seem fun; I don't particularity know or care if they'll have prizes or not, they seem fun enough on their own for me to go down to play in them.<br />
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I think you've mentioned it already, but location can be important in successful events; London is very easy to get to and from by train, whereas other venues around the country can be harder to get to (especially if you can't drive) unless you live nearby.<br />
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Some kind of central website for all UK events would be helpful in new players finding out about nearby events for them to attend.<br />
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Gathering peoples thoughts is, of course, a great idea to get opinions and gauge interest in events from people who don't come to this website. Should this be a paper questionnaire one to be filled in at events (and which events? Big events or weekly events, or both?) Would an on line questionnaire work better? And what sort of things should it be asking?