"Complex" Cube - Demonic Tutor2024-03-28T21:28:42Zhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/complex-cube?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A981&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think we established that s…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-10:3440403:Comment:9812009-06-10T01:52:15.981ZTiff Leekhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/TiffLeek
I think we established that suspending ivory giant fucks up multiplayer good and proper.
I think we established that suspending ivory giant fucks up multiplayer good and proper. But it already did! Angel's G…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-09:3440403:Comment:8262009-06-09T09:57:18.826ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
But it already did! Angel's Grace + Amulet of Quoz. Jhoira of the Ghitu + Iname as One, Enigma Sphinx and other uncastable fatties. Vedalken Aethermage + Jhoira of the Ghitu. Fairly obvious things, perhaps, but still emergent properties of the cube. So the raw ingredients are at least a bit more like a rocket than monkey poo is.<br />
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This is the rough draft. If it shows promise (I think it does!) then I can refine from here adding say more Elves and Merfolk to support cards that need those (or…
But it already did! Angel's Grace + Amulet of Quoz. Jhoira of the Ghitu + Iname as One, Enigma Sphinx and other uncastable fatties. Vedalken Aethermage + Jhoira of the Ghitu. Fairly obvious things, perhaps, but still emergent properties of the cube. So the raw ingredients are at least a bit more like a rocket than monkey poo is.<br />
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This is the rough draft. If it shows promise (I think it does!) then I can refine from here adding say more Elves and Merfolk to support cards that need those (or whatever is required) and removing cards that literally do nothing or aren't any fun.<br />
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If you come from another angle - what about a cube that contains complicated and powerful cards instead of just the best cards of all time? - it's surely obvious to see that could be quite fun. So what we're really discussing is whether the complicated-but-useless and complicated-but-not-hugely-powerful cards belong in the cube or not. I'm going to cut the former and I'm perfectly happy with the latter. Shards draft contains Soul's Grace, Jhessian Lookout and Viashino Skeleton and is still enjoyable - there won't be anything so dull as that in this cube.<br />
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It's meant to be fun, rather than necessarily the greatest thing ever. It's an experiment and a learning experience, not my life's work by which I wish to be judged :) Plus most of these cards are new to me since I only started playing at the end of Eventide so on that level alone it's been interesting.<br />
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I promise I won't kidnap you and make you play it if you don't want to, though :) It wont work that way :S
If…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-09:3440403:Comment:8122009-06-09T02:05:44.812ZAmiduhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/Amidu
It wont work that way :S<br />
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If you give a rocket scientist some monkey poo, he wont be able to make a rocket :(<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/complex-cube#3440403Comment810"><div>More seriously, the idea was to jam loads of complicated cards in and see if anyone can break it and/or come up with clever interactions. When your opponent wizardcycles Vedalken Aethermage EOT to get Jhoira and then use her next turn to suspend an…</div>
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It wont work that way :S<br />
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If you give a rocket scientist some monkey poo, he wont be able to make a rocket :(<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/complex-cube#3440403Comment810"><div>More seriously, the idea was to jam loads of complicated cards in and see if anyone can break it and/or come up with clever interactions. When your opponent wizardcycles Vedalken Aethermage EOT to get Jhoira and then use her next turn to suspend an Enigma Sphinx that they don't otherwise have the correct colors of mana to cast (anywhere in their deck) then the cube is doing it's job. Go cube!</div>
</blockquote> More seriously, the idea was…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-09:3440403:Comment:8102009-06-09T00:24:49.810ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
More seriously, the idea was to jam loads of complicated cards in and see if anyone can break it and/or come up with clever interactions. When your opponent wizardcycles Vedalken Aethermage EOT to get Jhoira and then use her next turn to suspend an Enigma Sphinx that they don't otherwise have the correct colors of mana to cast (anywhere in their deck) then the cube is doing it's job. Go cube!
More seriously, the idea was to jam loads of complicated cards in and see if anyone can break it and/or come up with clever interactions. When your opponent wizardcycles Vedalken Aethermage EOT to get Jhoira and then use her next turn to suspend an Enigma Sphinx that they don't otherwise have the correct colors of mana to cast (anywhere in their deck) then the cube is doing it's job. Go cube! It's not for you Rob, it's fo…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-08:3440403:Comment:7882009-06-08T23:01:17.788ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
It's not for you Rob, it's for skillful and imaginative players. Move along.
It's not for you Rob, it's for skillful and imaginative players. Move along. It's awful and shit and I wil…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-08:3440403:Comment:7502009-06-08T18:36:54.750ZAmiduhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/Amidu
It's awful and shit and I will never play it, what convinced you to make a cube of unplayable cards?
It's awful and shit and I will never play it, what convinced you to make a cube of unplayable cards? All unsanctioned magic is che…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-07:3440403:Comment:5872009-06-07T22:17:42.587ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
All unsanctioned magic is cheap as chips - you can use proxies!<br />
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We gave the cube a proper run out today with some straight up drafting and some 2HG. Some stars of the day were: Intet the Dreamer, Voice of All, Korlash Heir to Blackblade and Shard Phoenix. Kieran didn't quite manage to pull off his <a href="http://magiccards.info/ts/en/3.html">Angel's Grace</a> + <a href="http://magiccards.info/ia/en/283.html">Amulet of Quoz</a> combo but won the game off the Amulet anyway while staring down…
All unsanctioned magic is cheap as chips - you can use proxies!<br />
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We gave the cube a proper run out today with some straight up drafting and some 2HG. Some stars of the day were: Intet the Dreamer, Voice of All, Korlash Heir to Blackblade and Shard Phoenix. Kieran didn't quite manage to pull off his <a href="http://magiccards.info/ts/en/3.html">Angel's Grace</a> + <a href="http://magiccards.info/ia/en/283.html">Amulet of Quoz</a> combo but won the game off the Amulet anyway while staring down lethal. Next game Ross managed to steal the Amulet with <a href="http://magiccards.info/ds/en/152.html">Thought Dissector</a> and returned the favor. Nice.<br />
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Best deck of the day is one of Ross and Tiff's from the 2HG. Draft the crazy shit like <a href="http://magiccards.info/sok/en/151.html">Iname as One</a> and <a href="http://magiccards.info/sok/en/148.html">Sekki, Seasons' Guide</a> and use the wizardcycling on <a href="http://magiccards.info/fut/en/61.html">Vedalken Aethermage</a> to go get <a href="http://magiccards.info/fut/en/157.html">Jhoira of the Ghitu</a> and suspend them. Cool.<br />
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Some things may have to go (<a href="http://magiccards.info/fe/en/66.html">Vodalian War Machine</a>, anyone?) and some fixing is going to have to be added but overall it was good fun. Also, a lot of these cards ha…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-05:3440403:Comment:3262009-06-05T16:19:25.326Zwvhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
Also, a lot of these cards have been erratered, and some even work differently than originally planned.<br />
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My next big project is to build The Sphere - which is the complete opposite to The Cube, but still coherently draftable...<br />
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Also, cheap as chips!
Also, a lot of these cards have been erratered, and some even work differently than originally planned.<br />
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My next big project is to build The Sphere - which is the complete opposite to The Cube, but still coherently draftable...<br />
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Also, cheap as chips! The problems we found (Tom an…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-05:3440403:Comment:3152009-06-05T15:38:34.315ZBen Titmarshhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/BenTitmarsh
The problems we found (Tom and I drafted this) were that:<br />
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A) Half of the cards were printed from gatherer and hence unreadable<br />
B) It takes a LONG time to draft because you have to read all of the weird old card wording like:<br />
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"When you play X you may pay X (where X can be any amount of mana including 0) or Y where Y is equal to half the number of cards without horsemanship that you have rounded up plus X (where X can be 0) where X equals twice the number of cards with flanking you have rounded…
The problems we found (Tom and I drafted this) were that:<br />
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A) Half of the cards were printed from gatherer and hence unreadable<br />
B) It takes a LONG time to draft because you have to read all of the weird old card wording like:<br />
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"When you play X you may pay X (where X can be any amount of mana including 0) or Y where Y is equal to half the number of cards without horsemanship that you have rounded up plus X (where X can be 0) where X equals twice the number of cards with flanking you have rounded to the nearest prime number. Flip a coin if you lose the flip X is 0. If it's a tuesday afternoon and your father wears frilly underwear then do something irrevocably pointless and take X mana burn (where X can be any amount of mana including 0). " And some more:
Merseine
Fire…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-06-05:3440403:Comment:3132009-06-05T15:34:26.313Zwvhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
And some more:<br />
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Merseine<br />
Fire and Brimstone<br />
Warp World<br />
Wood Elemental<br />
Last Stand<br />
Psychic Theft<br />
Sporogenesis<br />
Warping Wurm<br />
Mercadian Lift<br />
Goblin Game<br />
Thieves' Auction<br />
Illicit Auction<br />
Game of Chaos<br />
Mana Clash<br />
Eternal Dominion
And some more:<br />
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Merseine<br />
Fire and Brimstone<br />
Warp World<br />
Wood Elemental<br />
Last Stand<br />
Psychic Theft<br />
Sporogenesis<br />
Warping Wurm<br />
Mercadian Lift<br />
Goblin Game<br />
Thieves' Auction<br />
Illicit Auction<br />
Game of Chaos<br />
Mana Clash<br />
Eternal Dominion