Constructed League Season Three - Results - Demonic Tutor2024-03-28T18:25:44Zhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A7028&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNo - Although I would like to…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-07:3440403:Comment:83802009-11-07T14:20:32.126ZJames Millshttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/JamesMills
No - Although I would like to say props to me a Roque for actually playing all our matches :P<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?id=3440403%3ATopic%3A6765&page=10#3440403Comment8375"><div>Any final results to report before I close the competition?</div>
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No - Although I would like to say props to me a Roque for actually playing all our matches :P<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?id=3440403%3ATopic%3A6765&page=10#3440403Comment8375"><div>Any final results to report before I close the competition?</div>
</blockquote> Any final results to report b…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-07:3440403:Comment:83752009-11-07T08:24:02.333ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
Any final results to report before I close the competition?
Any final results to report before I close the competition? I'm not down with getting con…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-05:3440403:Comment:82692009-11-05T17:12:29.388ZJames Millshttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/JamesMills
I'm not down with getting concessions.
I'm not down with getting concessions. Tom I hold you completely res…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-05:3440403:Comment:82442009-11-05T13:15:41.727Zstevie_bhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/stevie_b
Tom I hold you completely responsible for this catastrophe. How dare you fly half way round the world, leaving adults to run the asylum and not expect the ceiling to fall in.<br />
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Shame on u tom. Shame on u.<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?x=1&id=3440403%3ATopic%3A6765&page=10#3440403Comment8231"><div>I'm sorry you feel that way about it.<br></br> <br></br> It's my fault for not making a rule about…</div>
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Tom I hold you completely responsible for this catastrophe. How dare you fly half way round the world, leaving adults to run the asylum and not expect the ceiling to fall in.<br />
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Shame on u tom. Shame on u.<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?x=1&id=3440403%3ATopic%3A6765&page=10#3440403Comment8231"><div>I'm sorry you feel that way about it.<br/> <br/>
It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally.<br/>
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So apologies to all for messing that up.<br/>
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We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!<br/>
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Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around this whole thing ... as you say in all competitive magic what you did is completely normal and above board.</div>
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Thomas David Bak…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-05:3440403:Comment:82322009-11-05T11:49:15.137Zwvhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
Edited:<br />
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Ok<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?page=10&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A8231&x=1#3440403Comment8231"><div>I'm sorry you feel that way about it.<br></br> It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally. So apologies to all for messing that up.
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We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with…</div>
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Edited:<br />
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Ok<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?page=10&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A8231&x=1#3440403Comment8231"><div>I'm sorry you feel that way about it.<br/> It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally.
So apologies to all for messing that up.<br />
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We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!<br />
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Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around this whole thing ... as you say in all competitive magic what you did is completely normal and above board.</div>
</blockquote> I'm sorry you feel that way a…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-05:3440403:Comment:82312009-11-05T11:46:23.342ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
I'm sorry you feel that way about it.<br />
<br />
It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally.<br />
<br />
So apologies to all for messing that up.<br />
<br />
We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!<br />
<br />
Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around…
I'm sorry you feel that way about it.<br />
<br />
It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally.<br />
<br />
So apologies to all for messing that up.<br />
<br />
We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!<br />
<br />
Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around this whole thing ... as you say in all competitive magic what you did is completely normal and above board. Can't be bothered TBH.
Easie…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-05:3440403:Comment:82272009-11-05T09:02:40.148Zwvhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
Can't be bothered TBH.<br />
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Easiest thing is for me to do is just leave this league, meaning Roque wins etc.<br />
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I really don't care that much. Just remove me from the league. Thanks.<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?page=9&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A8224&x=1#3440403Comment8224"><div>I was thinking about this last night and I have realized a few things:<br></br> 1. If we allow concessions and Mills gets…</div>
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Can't be bothered TBH.<br />
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Easiest thing is for me to do is just leave this league, meaning Roque wins etc.<br />
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I really don't care that much. Just remove me from the league. Thanks.<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?page=9&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A8224&x=1#3440403Comment8224"><div>I was thinking about this last night and I have realized a few things:<br/> 1. If we allow concessions and Mills gets the three people he hasn't played to concede to him, and Roque gets Gary to concede to him then Warren will come third, Roque will come second and Mills will win overall. Which basically makes the last week of the competition about who can arrange concessions and nothing else. That's not good enough.
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2. The reasoning behind "games played" counting more than "goal difference" or anything similar is to encourage more games to be played. If you are getting points in the "Played" column when you haven't played a game something is malfunctioning there (leaving aside getting points in the "Points" column!)<br />
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3. We didn't allow concessions in either of the first two seasons. We just applied moral pressure to those that "couldn't be bothered" to play until they did play. (There were warning signs here ... I should have picked up on them.)<br />
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Given all these reasons I can't allow results that I know to be straight up concessions to stand. So far that's only Warren v Rob although I get the impression there were others?<br />
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If Warren needs extra time to actually meet up with and play people to get his fair crack of the whip then we can extend the season. People refusing to play him will be censured by their peers and may face punitive measures in future seasons.<br />
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We will definitely devise different rules for the next season to prevent this issue from arising again but that doesn't mean we don't want to finish this season in the closest thing to fairness we can manage.<br />
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I'm sorry I didn't think about this clearly when it first arose and give a firm anti-concession judgment at the time. Warren - I hope you understand what I'm getting at here. Name and shame those who refuse to play you, and let us know if you want more time to complete matches.</div>
</blockquote> I was thinking about this las…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-05:3440403:Comment:82242009-11-05T05:26:44.743ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
I was thinking about this last night and I have realized a few things:<br />
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1. If we allow concessions and Mills gets the three people he hasn't played to concede to him, and Roque gets Gary to concede to him then Warren will come third, Roque will come second and Mills will win overall. Which basically makes the last week of the competition about who can arrange concessions and nothing else. That's not good enough.<br />
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2. The reasoning behind "games played" counting more than "goal difference" or…
I was thinking about this last night and I have realized a few things:<br />
<br />
1. If we allow concessions and Mills gets the three people he hasn't played to concede to him, and Roque gets Gary to concede to him then Warren will come third, Roque will come second and Mills will win overall. Which basically makes the last week of the competition about who can arrange concessions and nothing else. That's not good enough.<br />
<br />
2. The reasoning behind "games played" counting more than "goal difference" or anything similar is to encourage more games to be played. If you are getting points in the "Played" column when you haven't played a game something is malfunctioning there (leaving aside getting points in the "Points" column!)<br />
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3. We didn't allow concessions in either of the first two seasons. We just applied moral pressure to those that "couldn't be bothered" to play until they did play. (There were warning signs here ... I should have picked up on them.)<br />
<br />
Given all these reasons I can't allow results that I know to be straight up concessions to stand. So far that's only Warren v Rob although I get the impression there were others?<br />
<br />
If Warren needs extra time to actually meet up with and play people to get his fair crack of the whip then we can extend the season. People refusing to play him will be censured by their peers and may face punitive measures in future seasons.<br />
<br />
We will definitely devise different rules for the next season to prevent this issue from arising again but that doesn't mean we don't want to finish this season in the closest thing to fairness we can manage.<br />
<br />
I'm sorry I didn't think about this clearly when it first arose and give a firm anti-concession judgment at the time. Warren - I hope you understand what I'm getting at here. Name and shame those who refuse to play you, and let us know if you want more time to complete matches. Conceding games that have not…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-04:3440403:Comment:81912009-11-04T10:02:26.505ZTiff Leekhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/TiffLeek
Conceding games that have not even been half played seems like terribly bad form and not in the spirit of the thing at all.
Conceding games that have not even been half played seems like terribly bad form and not in the spirit of the thing at all. Oh please. You'd take every c…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-11-04:3440403:Comment:81872009-11-04T09:06:39.358Zwvhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
Oh please. You'd take every concession you could get.<br />
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Off that high horse please Mr. Martire.<br />
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<cite>Roque Martire said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?page=9&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A8181&x=1#3440403Comment8176"><div>Wouldn't it be better to win by ACTUALLY winning though? It proves much more than just getting a concession.</div>
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Oh please. You'd take every concession you could get.<br />
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Off that high horse please Mr. Martire.<br />
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<cite>Roque Martire said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/constructed-league-season?page=9&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A8181&x=1#3440403Comment8176"><div>Wouldn't it be better to win by ACTUALLY winning though? It proves much more than just getting a concession.</div>
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