Miracle.Deck - Demonic Tutor2024-03-28T11:00:30Zhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/miracle-deck?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A53492&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGood point. Still like you sa…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-18:3440403:Comment:534272012-05-18T00:49:51.959ZGary Lynchhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GaryLynch
<p>Good point. Still like you say getting to cast it from the grave for an extra 2 mana and keeping yout snapcaster seems sweet.</p>
<p>Good point. Still like you say getting to cast it from the grave for an extra 2 mana and keeping yout snapcaster seems sweet.</p> Devastation Tide is exiled wh…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:535802012-05-17T20:09:42.702ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
<p>Devastation Tide is exiled when you cast it with Snapcaster because it gains Flashback which exiles the card so you don't get infinite bounce. Still fun to bounce everything and get a Snapcaster in hand for 5UU.</p>
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<p>Visions of Beyond does seem strong in this deck.</p>
<p>Devastation Tide is exiled when you cast it with Snapcaster because it gains Flashback which exiles the card so you don't get infinite bounce. Still fun to bounce everything and get a Snapcaster in hand for 5UU.</p>
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<p>Visions of Beyond does seem strong in this deck.</p> Oh Simon, you could run creat…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:534262012-05-17T19:22:13.336ZGary Lynchhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GaryLynch
<p>Oh Simon, you could run creatures but turning on removal was something I wanted to avoid. Also no creature card draw is just cheaper or has flashback.</p>
<p>Oh Simon, you could run creatures but turning on removal was something I wanted to avoid. Also no creature card draw is just cheaper or has flashback.</p> Roy I thought about Visions o…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:535022012-05-17T19:20:49.496ZGary Lynchhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GaryLynch
<p>Roy I thought about Visions of Beond, seems like it could be good. I can see the advantage of Thought Scour if you are running Tamyio though.</p>
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<p>I dont have any Tamyio so didnt run any, im not sure how good it is in standard. I dont think its gonna be drawing that many cards but I could be wrong.</p>
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<p>I have been scared to use Desperate Ravings because of the random discard but flashback is so good, perhaps I should be running some Snapcaster Mages. I did like the…</p>
<p>Roy I thought about Visions of Beond, seems like it could be good. I can see the advantage of Thought Scour if you are running Tamyio though.</p>
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<p>I dont have any Tamyio so didnt run any, im not sure how good it is in standard. I dont think its gonna be drawing that many cards but I could be wrong.</p>
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<p>I have been scared to use Desperate Ravings because of the random discard but flashback is so good, perhaps I should be running some Snapcaster Mages. I did like the tech that once you get to 7 mana and a Devastation Tide you can have infinate bounce with a Snapcaster.</p>
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<p>Can you post your list here, would love to see what you are running. Hows your Delver match? What about Esper or other control decks?</p>
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<p>Now this deck has won a Pro Tour I can see people working on it for standard, whats good tech for the Mirror other than more negates?</p> Visions of beyond from M12 is…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:534232012-05-17T14:32:07.513ZRoy Rafteryhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/RoyRaftery
Visions of beyond from M12 is good.<br />
U to cast, instant speed, possibly recall in the late game (which this deck can certainly go to)<br />
I love the deck and have been playing a standard version a good week before the pro tour.
Visions of beyond from M12 is good.<br />
U to cast, instant speed, possibly recall in the late game (which this deck can certainly go to)<br />
I love the deck and have been playing a standard version a good week before the pro tour. Isn't there a creature that y…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:534992012-05-17T12:58:06.293ZSimon Baldwinhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/lhsi
<p>Isn't there a creature that you can sacrifice to draw a card? Would that be good as an enabler on your opponents turn (declare as a blocker, sac to maybe get a miracle). If you untap with it it you can use all your mana for miracle spells. Or does it not work as it will just draw your opponents removal before you can use it? </p>
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<p>I thought up a deck when the cards were being spoilt of having a deck full of miracles and flashback cards, with the blue enchantment that makes…</p>
<p>Isn't there a creature that you can sacrifice to draw a card? Would that be good as an enabler on your opponents turn (declare as a blocker, sac to maybe get a miracle). If you untap with it it you can use all your mana for miracle spells. Or does it not work as it will just draw your opponents removal before you can use it? </p>
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<p>I thought up a deck when the cards were being spoilt of having a deck full of miracles and flashback cards, with the blue enchantment that makes instants/sorcery's cost less. So you still got a discount on the casting cost of the expensive spells (either full cost miracle or big costing flashback). I can't see it being competitive, but it sounds fun. </p> Looking at the list the stuff…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:534922012-05-17T09:50:56.413ZYew Vernhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/YewVern
<p>Looking at the list the stuff it comes down to is:</p>
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<p>Entreat, Devastation, Terminus, Bonfire(?), Temporal as your miracles</p>
<p>Ponder, Thought Scour, Think Twice, Desperate Ravings, Desolate Lighthouse as enablers</p>
<p>Entreat, Planeswalker (Gideon? Tamiyo?), Bonfire as your win cons</p>
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<p>For block I think the miracles.deck is solid but in t2, I'm not so sure. Does the addition of red miracles actually help the deck? Bonfire is sweet, but that's about it. The rest…</p>
<p>Looking at the list the stuff it comes down to is:</p>
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<p>Entreat, Devastation, Terminus, Bonfire(?), Temporal as your miracles</p>
<p>Ponder, Thought Scour, Think Twice, Desperate Ravings, Desolate Lighthouse as enablers</p>
<p>Entreat, Planeswalker (Gideon? Tamiyo?), Bonfire as your win cons</p>
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<p>For block I think the miracles.deck is solid but in t2, I'm not so sure. Does the addition of red miracles actually help the deck? Bonfire is sweet, but that's about it. The rest look like sideboard cards, blue or white support seems more relevant.</p>
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<p>The builds I'm coming up with either look a lot like UW delver (with miracles), UW control (with miracles) or UW aggro (with miracles). Not very inspired, to be honest. But that's because I haven't played standard for like, years.</p>
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<p>Let me know how the miracle deck works out for you Gary, I'll replicate your success over here :D</p> Enjoyed the primer.
He is r…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-17:3440403:Comment:536682012-05-17T01:41:20.316ZGary Lynchhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GaryLynch
<p>Enjoyed the primer.</p>
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<p>He is right about tilting people though. When I pulled of the Terminus in my opponents combat step his face was priceless.</p>
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<p>I actually think the deck makes gains in standard as it gains a lot more support cards that are not Miracles and also has the ability to go more than 2 colours.</p>
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<p>If the guy who has the cards im missing is there on Saturday I will give it another spin, if not I will be on Ramp or Pod.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the primer.</p>
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<p>He is right about tilting people though. When I pulled of the Terminus in my opponents combat step his face was priceless.</p>
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<p>I actually think the deck makes gains in standard as it gains a lot more support cards that are not Miracles and also has the ability to go more than 2 colours.</p>
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<p>If the guy who has the cards im missing is there on Saturday I will give it another spin, if not I will be on Ramp or Pod.</p> Primer that Hayne sent to his…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-16:3440403:Comment:534892012-05-16T09:56:06.115ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
<p>Primer that Hayne sent to his teammates (very good): <a href="http://manadeprived.com/2012/05/hallelujah-a-primer-for-the-lucksack.html" target="_blank">http://manadeprived.com/2012/05/hallelujah-a-primer-for-the-lucksack.html</a></p>
<p>Primer that Hayne sent to his teammates (very good): <a href="http://manadeprived.com/2012/05/hallelujah-a-primer-for-the-lucksack.html" target="_blank">http://manadeprived.com/2012/05/hallelujah-a-primer-for-the-lucksack.html</a></p> this is EXACTLY the problem.…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-05-16:3440403:Comment:536662012-05-16T02:34:46.169ZPeter Dunhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/PeterDun
<p>this is EXACTLY the problem. how many support cards can you hope to run in your miracle focussed deck if you want the deck to be good.... its a very linear mechanic.</p>
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<p>you need:</p>
<p>a) 15-20 miracle cards</p>
<p>b) 25+ lands (so you can hardcast your miracles late game)</p>
<p>c) 8-12 enablers (1-2cc cantrips) that let you draw a card on your opponents turn</p>
<p>d) 3-4 kill conditions (you can't just rely on entreat)</p>
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<p>that gives you AT MOST 5 slots for…</p>
<p>this is EXACTLY the problem. how many support cards can you hope to run in your miracle focussed deck if you want the deck to be good.... its a very linear mechanic.</p>
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<p>you need:</p>
<p>a) 15-20 miracle cards</p>
<p>b) 25+ lands (so you can hardcast your miracles late game)</p>
<p>c) 8-12 enablers (1-2cc cantrips) that let you draw a card on your opponents turn</p>
<p>d) 3-4 kill conditions (you can't just rely on entreat)</p>
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<p>that gives you AT MOST 5 slots for support cards, which you could have as negates, but more likely you would like as catch all answer like more bounce or oblivion rings. The deck is likely fine, but if negate is in the format (as opposed to leak, which is probably easier to play around), this is not going to be an easy deck to play with or build in t2</p>
<p><br/><br/><cite>Gary Lynch said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/miracle-deck#3440403Comment53487"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think they are a lot worse in smaller numbers. The less you have the less chance you will get the "Miracle Draw" when you need it.</p>
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<p>Obviously the regular costings are not bad on some of them but its much more fun when they come at the exact right time.</p>
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<p>Just wish I had the opportunity to test more.</p>
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