New eternal constructed format to get around reserved list - Demonic Tutor2024-03-28T09:09:42Zhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A13826&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt is so not all about Vintag…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-21:3440403:Comment:138262010-04-21T09:13:52.414ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
It is <b>so not</b> all about Vintage. That format is ridiculous.
It is <b>so not</b> all about Vintage. That format is ridiculous. Just bc a deck stays viable f…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-20:3440403:Comment:138112010-04-20T14:41:09.164ZPaul Laudanohttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/PaulLaudano
Just bc a deck stays viable for a long time does not mean you play it forever, new cards get used & metas change eg Shards block changed Legacy forever.<br />
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<cite>Dan Barrett said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?page=3&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A13803&x=1#3440403Comment13803"><div>I like Royde's point that "people have to keep innovating" - while die-hard Legacy fans are right that once you have a deck, it's pretty…</div>
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Just bc a deck stays viable for a long time does not mean you play it forever, new cards get used & metas change eg Shards block changed Legacy forever.<br />
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<cite>Dan Barrett said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?page=3&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A13803&x=1#3440403Comment13803"><div>I like Royde's point that "people have to keep innovating" - while die-hard Legacy fans are right that once you have a deck, it's pretty much viable forever, that makes you a really boring person, and a narrow player, if all you are going to do til the end of time is play CounterTop or Eva Green. I think it's a good thing that you are forced to play new decks periodically.<br/><br/>Also, eternal players spend less money on new cards, which supports Wizards as a business less, and thus impacts the longevity of the game.</div>
</blockquote> I like Royde's point that "pe…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-20:3440403:Comment:138032010-04-20T09:34:27.649ZDan Barretthttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanBarrett
I like Royde's point that "people have to keep innovating" - while die-hard Legacy fans are right that once you have a deck, it's pretty much viable forever, that makes you a really boring person, and a narrow player, if all you are going to do til the end of time is play CounterTop or Eva Green. I think it's a good thing that you are forced to play new decks periodically.<br />
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Also, eternal players spend less money on new cards, which supports Wizards as a business less, and thus impacts the…
I like Royde's point that "people have to keep innovating" - while die-hard Legacy fans are right that once you have a deck, it's pretty much viable forever, that makes you a really boring person, and a narrow player, if all you are going to do til the end of time is play CounterTop or Eva Green. I think it's a good thing that you are forced to play new decks periodically.<br />
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Also, eternal players spend less money on new cards, which supports Wizards as a business less, and thus impacts the longevity of the game. guys, it's all about vintage.…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137852010-04-19T23:43:33.600ZNathan Gotlibhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/NathanGotlib
guys, it's all about vintage....
guys, it's all about vintage.... I certainly enjoy playing ext…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137832010-04-19T22:57:37.377ZDaniel Roydehttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanielRoyde
I certainly enjoy playing extended the most. You do need new cards, but you get those through playing standard most of the time. It's nice that cards have a long lifetime (not like 3rd/4th sets of a block in standard), but good that decks rotate out- people have to keep on innovating.<br />
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I guess std is more popular because it's more accessible and is actually pushed. Legacy= I don't understand, possibly there are enough die hard legacy fans who like to play their legacy deck that they've always…
I certainly enjoy playing extended the most. You do need new cards, but you get those through playing standard most of the time. It's nice that cards have a long lifetime (not like 3rd/4th sets of a block in standard), but good that decks rotate out- people have to keep on innovating.<br />
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I guess std is more popular because it's more accessible and is actually pushed. Legacy= I don't understand, possibly there are enough die hard legacy fans who like to play their legacy deck that they've always played?<br />
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I personally don't have a problem with there being decks which have very good/bad matchups. The reason it doesn't happen much in standard is that most decks are just creature decks of some sort. (A good exception would be a control deck without counterspells can't beat a fog deck)<br />
In std it's hard to make a deck that focusses on a different part of the game/ changes the rules of the game so that other decks just don't work.<br />
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I think it's fun to play a matchup where you know that your overall strategy just trumps what your opponent is trying to do. It requires skill since you have to know what your strategy is in all the different matchups- so preparation is rewarded.<br />
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Lastly it is usually possible to find decks which have ~50% matchups against most decks, if you want to avoid auto win/losses.<br />
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<cite>Thomas David Baker said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?page=2&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A13782&x=1#3440403Comment13782"><div>I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but why not ...<br/> <br/>
The problem with Legacy isn't the lack of viable decks. There's zillions. It's the matchups. What is the true matchup percentage of the stock Lands list vs. the stock Zoo list? 80-20? That kind of percentage doesn't really exist in Standard or Extended. Tournament winning then becomes about dodging certain matchups and/or canny deck selection.<br/>
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Will this purported new format have this same problem? Seems likely.<br/>
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Interesting stuff, though, if true.<br/>
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I can't help but think that Extended is the One True Format but for some reason it's the least popular. Very expensive to get into but you often need different cards each season is not a good combo, I guess.</div>
</blockquote> I'm playing Devil's Advocate…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137822010-04-19T19:38:21.638ZThomas David Bakerhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but why not ...<br />
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The problem with Legacy isn't the lack of viable decks. There's zillions. It's the matchups. What is the true matchup percentage of the stock Lands list vs. the stock Zoo list? 80-20? That kind of percentage doesn't really exist in Standard or Extended. Tournament winning then becomes about dodging certain matchups and/or canny deck selection.<br />
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Will this purported new format have this same problem? Seems likely.<br />
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Interesting stuff, though, if…
I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but why not ...<br />
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The problem with Legacy isn't the lack of viable decks. There's zillions. It's the matchups. What is the true matchup percentage of the stock Lands list vs. the stock Zoo list? 80-20? That kind of percentage doesn't really exist in Standard or Extended. Tournament winning then becomes about dodging certain matchups and/or canny deck selection.<br />
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Will this purported new format have this same problem? Seems likely.<br />
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Interesting stuff, though, if true.<br />
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I can't help but think that Extended is the One True Format but for some reason it's the least popular. Very expensive to get into but you often need different cards each season is not a good combo, I guess. I can play tings again!tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137802010-04-19T17:59:47.106ZJames Millshttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/JamesMills
I can play tings again!
I can play tings again! obv if they made this format…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137742010-04-19T16:39:47.598ZPhilip Dickinsonhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/PhilipDickinson
obv if they made this format there would be bannings from the start. skullclamp?<br />
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<cite>Louis Mackie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?id=3440403%3ATopic%3A13723&page=2#3440403Comment13763"><div>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Force of Will is not on the reprint list, and could be reprinted specifically to stop the nutty combo decks that would need major bannings for the format to be playable.</div>
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obv if they made this format there would be bannings from the start. skullclamp?<br />
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<cite>Louis Mackie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?id=3440403%3ATopic%3A13723&page=2#3440403Comment13763"><div>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Force of Will is not on the reprint list, and could be reprinted specifically to stop the nutty combo decks that would need major bannings for the format to be playable.</div>
</blockquote> Ben Titmarsh said:There is a…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137652010-04-19T15:24:05.206ZDaniel Roydehttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanielRoyde
<cite>Ben Titmarsh said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?page=2&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A13762&x=1#3440403Comment13760"><div>There is a great article on SCG detailing the top 50 decks in legacy, FIFTY DECKS! The smaller the card pool, the more likely the format will get stale, look at pre-rise standard... The fact that you can own a expensive deck (relatively) that is likely to stay competitive for years and years is…</div>
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<cite>Ben Titmarsh said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/new-eternal-constructed-format?page=2&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A13762&x=1#3440403Comment13760"><div>There is a great article on SCG detailing the top 50 decks in legacy, FIFTY DECKS! The smaller the card pool, the more likely the format will get stale, look at pre-rise standard... The fact that you can own a expensive deck (relatively) that is likely to stay competitive for years and years is more of an incentive for me to buy the cards than a reason to avoid the format.<br/></div>
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That's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint that I do partially share, but..<br />
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Any particular instance of standard/ block is likely to get boring after a while, but with usually at least 10% new cards every 3 months the format in general remains interesting and varied.<br />
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Being able to buy one deck and then play that same deck for a very long time means that the format is unchanging, rather than stale. I'm not sure if I think this is a problem or not.<br />
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I always feel as though there are "lots of good decks in legacy" because the format isn't played at such a high level as much- Pros don't spend time testing it. When a format is played on the PT and then in PTQs, often decks that were previously though of as viable, just aren't as good as properly tuned good decks.<br />
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I imagine that the legacy meta would change and shrink quite a lot if it were a ptq/pt format.<br />
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Since I don't play any eternal atm, it's hard to have a well informed opinion and I do have a naturally anti legacy bias.<br />
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(sorry if this post isn't very coherent) Yes thats right.tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2010-04-19:3440403:Comment:137642010-04-19T15:12:53.529ZPaul Laudanohttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/PaulLaudano
Yes thats right.
Yes thats right.