World Magic Cup Qualifiers - Demonic Tutor2024-03-28T18:47:04Zhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/world-magic-cup-qualifiers?feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhatever your opinion is on w…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-20:3440403:Comment:517432012-03-20T09:20:57.703ZGraham Theobaldshttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GrahamTheobalds
<p>Whatever your opinion is on what one should pay to enter a tournament is a personal thing and each person will have a different perspective. However we should not forget the fact that the recent increase in the price to enter a PTQ is mainly due to the fact that WOTC have withdrawn all booster support for the organiser. That means the organiser has got to provide an additional 6 boxes of product than in the past, therefore that cost has to be passed on to the players like any other increase…</p>
<p>Whatever your opinion is on what one should pay to enter a tournament is a personal thing and each person will have a different perspective. However we should not forget the fact that the recent increase in the price to enter a PTQ is mainly due to the fact that WOTC have withdrawn all booster support for the organiser. That means the organiser has got to provide an additional 6 boxes of product than in the past, therefore that cost has to be passed on to the players like any other increase in costs.</p>
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<p>However there is a limit to what a person is prepared to pay and I would not criticise anyone who says enough is enough. I actually think players should complain. Remember the outcry of the loss of the Nationals. WOTC were forced to listen and rethink that decision and introduce the World Cup. I admit this is rare but that does not mean impossible. I also concede that it is probably unlikely to do any good.</p>
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<p>It will be interesting to see how PTQ numbers fair in the upcoming seasons when all the qualifications for the WCQ are over at the end of March.</p>
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<p>I think the whole policy of driving play through shops is based on getting in new players. They will spend the money until they get fed up with the costs, to be replaced by new players and the cycle restarts. Older players can do as they please :(</p>
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<p></p> But Mills is entertaining :(…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:516832012-03-15T11:23:56.396ZJosh Tovellhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/JoshTovell
<p>But Mills is entertaining :(<br/> <br/> <cite>Dan Barrett said:</cite></p>
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<p>There should be a guest list, and bouncer with velvet rope to stop the riffraff getting in.</p>
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<p>But Mills is entertaining :(<br/> <br/> <cite>Dan Barrett said:</cite></p>
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<p>There should be a guest list, and bouncer with velvet rope to stop the riffraff getting in.</p>
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</blockquote> Phil's "luxury tournament" so…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:516182012-03-15T11:14:18.589ZDan Barretthttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanBarrett
<p>Phil's "luxury tournament" sounds pretty decent.</p>
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<p>There should be a guest list, and bouncer with velvet rope to stop the riffraff getting in.</p>
<p>Phil's "luxury tournament" sounds pretty decent.</p>
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<p>There should be a guest list, and bouncer with velvet rope to stop the riffraff getting in.</p> there's only 1 way to settle…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:516172012-03-15T11:07:10.790ZGlenn Goldsworthyhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GlennGoldsworthy
<p>there's only 1 way to settle this:</p>
<p>Team drink cube draft guantlet</p>
<p>me, phil and josh</p>
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<p>Crispin, Dan and random other</p>
<p>there's only 1 way to settle this:</p>
<p>Team drink cube draft guantlet</p>
<p>me, phil and josh</p>
<p>vs</p>
<p>Crispin, Dan and random other</p> OK Phil, I tell you what.
Yo…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:515342012-03-15T11:04:27.024ZCrispin Batemanhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/CrispinBateman
<p>OK Phil, I tell you what.</p>
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<p>You design your tournament properly as a document. Send it to me. I'll tell you back how much I think it'll cost and if you agree, I'll run it. If it works, great, I'd love a tournament like that. If it doesn't, we tried. :)</p>
<p>OK Phil, I tell you what.</p>
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<p>You design your tournament properly as a document. Send it to me. I'll tell you back how much I think it'll cost and if you agree, I'll run it. If it works, great, I'd love a tournament like that. If it doesn't, we tried. :)</p> Glenn, was there a question t…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:516822012-03-15T11:02:44.415ZCrispin Batemanhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/CrispinBateman
<p>Glenn, was there a question there?</p>
<p><br></br>I'm not really defensive of the game, I just like being Devil's Advocate in situations like these, which against you guys always seems to be defensive of the game. I also have a more relaxed attitude about it I guess.</p>
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<p>"Worth the time or money" is utterly subjective. It is worth it for me. It is worth it for a new player who has no memory of when it was cheaper. It is worth it for someone with more money than sense. It is worth it…</p>
<p>Glenn, was there a question there?</p>
<p><br/>I'm not really defensive of the game, I just like being Devil's Advocate in situations like these, which against you guys always seems to be defensive of the game. I also have a more relaxed attitude about it I guess.</p>
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<p>"Worth the time or money" is utterly subjective. It is worth it for me. It is worth it for a new player who has no memory of when it was cheaper. It is worth it for someone with more money than sense. It is worth it for someone who believes the playing of the game is excellent fun.<br/><br/>Magic is a good game because you CAN just say 'OK, I'll play cube instead' and enjoy the game without making more investment. A new player wants to get cards, you already have cards and can play with what you have. No one is making you invest to get more, not even WotC. They appreciate that the current tournament structure isn't for you; it's for other people, and those people are turning up to tournaments, so it must be working. Personally, I hate the cut-throat attitude of players in tournaments, but I enjoy testing myself against the field so I put up with it. Sometimes I feel like not going to tournaments because of those players, and when I need a break I take it, and when I feel like putting myself forward, I do. You pick and change.<br/><br/>Using cinema as an analogy, there are hundreds of films you don't want to see at the cinema, and a few you cherry pick to go and see. That doesn't make cinema flawed at all, just cos you might not like chick-flicks, or long documentaries about penguins, it makes it diverse. Magic is diverse. These tournaments are not for you, so don't go and keep enjoying your cube. But why moan about it? Do you moan about all the films that come out that you don't want to see? </p> it'd priced at enough to cove…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:516812012-03-15T11:02:14.569ZPhilip Dickinsonhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/PhilipDickinson
<p>it'd priced at enough to cover the venue! there would be a variety of hors d'ouevres available (no smoked salmon canapes at the tables though dudes!) and there would be table service offering a nice [european only, obviously] wine list. a selection of fresh presses would be available for those who are not drinking. all prizes would be provided on a voluntary basis by entrants with the distribution also decided by entrants. there would be a dress code - not a formal one of course but gross…</p>
<p>it'd priced at enough to cover the venue! there would be a variety of hors d'ouevres available (no smoked salmon canapes at the tables though dudes!) and there would be table service offering a nice [european only, obviously] wine list. a selection of fresh presses would be available for those who are not drinking. all prizes would be provided on a voluntary basis by entrants with the distribution also decided by entrants. there would be a dress code - not a formal one of course but gross dudes wouldn't be allowed in. we would only play fun formats (incl pauper, old block constructed, old extended etc) which would permit proxies on this basis that players would donate a certain amount to a charity of my choosing per proxy they had in their 75.</p>
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<p>basically my tournament would own so hard<br/> <br/> <cite>Crispin Bateman said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/world-magic-cup-qualifiers?page=7&commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A51442&x=1#3440403Comment51442"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>LOL Phil. If they did, they'd be free to enter, have sick prize support and essentially just be TOs taking you to a cashpoint, handing you their card and telling you the PIN.</p>
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</blockquote> I have no problems with the T…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:516802012-03-15T11:00:14.063ZGlenn Goldsworthyhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/GlennGoldsworthy
<p>I have no problems with the TO's it's wizards that have been taking the piss for a long time now and I have just had enough now, will happily come down for cube and beer but screw giving them my hard earned money</p>
<p>I have no problems with the TO's it's wizards that have been taking the piss for a long time now and I have just had enough now, will happily come down for cube and beer but screw giving them my hard earned money</p> LOL Phil. If they did, they'd…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:514422012-03-15T10:56:35.350ZCrispin Batemanhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/CrispinBateman
<p>LOL Phil. If they did, they'd be free to enter, have sick prize support and essentially just be TOs taking you to a cashpoint, handing you their card and telling you the PIN.</p>
<p>LOL Phil. If they did, they'd be free to enter, have sick prize support and essentially just be TOs taking you to a cashpoint, handing you their card and telling you the PIN.</p> Consumer goods companies are…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2012-03-15:3440403:Comment:515332012-03-15T10:55:59.425ZPaul Hodgsonhttp://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/PaulHodgson
<p>Consumer goods companies are shrinking pack size but keeping the price point the same, to hide the fact that you get less for your money. Wizards killed off tournament packs, now charge TOs for lands and are generally squeezing their customers more.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Philip Dickinson said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Consumer goods companies are shrinking pack size but keeping the price point the same, to hide the fact that you get less for your money. Wizards killed off tournament packs, now charge TOs for lands and are generally squeezing their customers more.<br/> <br/> <cite>Philip Dickinson said:</cite></p>
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