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Magic: the Gathering in the UK

So I cast clone copying the 4/5 treefolk that my Awakener Druid had made.  It came into pay as a forest and not a 4/5.  Closest thing I can find in the rules errata is this, but not sure if it really applies here:

7/15/2007: If the chosen creature is copying something else (for example, if the chosen creature is another Clone), then your Clone
enters the battlefield as whatever the chosen creature copied.

Pretty sure that I should've got a 4/5?

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The way I see it is you copied a Forest which is only made a creature by the Awakener Druid - it's a Forest thats a 4/5 on top of it.

Kinda hard to explain, but it's like a PT altering effect which isn't copied (like if you Giant Growth a guy then clone that, you don't get a big guy). I think this is correct, but am unsure.
Yes,

Louis is correct. Whenever you copy a card, like Clone does when it enter the battlefield, you copy all the characteristic of the card. So the card you copying is a forest, not a 4/5 guy. The 4/5 guy is created by your other do. A bit like if you copying a creature with +x/+x (or-X/-X) counters on it, the copy doesn't get the counters.

706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
Example: Chimeric Staff is an artifact that reads “{X}: Chimeric Staff becomes an X/X artifact creature until end of turn.” Clone is a creature that reads, “You may have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield.” After a Staff has become a 5/5 artifact creature, a Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of it. The Clone is an artifact, not a 5/5 artifact creature. (The copy has the Staff’s ability, however, and will become a creature if that ability is activated.)
Example: Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of a face-down Grinning Demon (a creature with morph {2}{B}{B}). The Clone is a colorless 2/2 creature with no name, no types, no abilities, and no mana cost. It will still be face up. Its controller can’t pay {2}{B}{B} to turn it face up.

Another way of looking at this is using the layers as copying effects always come first, so as Clone enter the battlefield, it copy the forest (as it is legal, it being a creature as the point of enter) before the Druid's effect applies.

613.1. The values of an object’s characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object. For a card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card. For a token or a copy of a spell or card, that means the values of the characteristics defined by the effect that created it. Then all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order:
613.1a Layer 1: Copy effects are applied. See rule 706, “Copying Objects.”
613.1b Layer 2: Control-changing effects are applied.
613.1c Layer 3: Text-changing effects are applied. See rule 612, “Text-Changing Effects.”
613.1d Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object’s card type, subtype, and/or supertype.
613.1e Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.
613.1f Layer 6: Ability-adding and ability-removing effects are applied.
613.1g Layer 7: Power- and/or toughness-changing effects are applied.

I hope this makes it clearer. By the way, did you get me email of of Flickr page?
I've had this come up in games before- best thing = ask an adept first.
Admittedly the first one I asked gave the wrong answer, but said he wasn't sure. The others all gave the correct answer.

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