Worldwake - control is back?! - Demonic Tutor2024-03-29T05:39:05Zhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/worldwake-control-is-back?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A9374&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt costs -12 or something. It…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95992009-12-17T18:44:42.193ZThomas David Bakerhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
It costs -12 or something. It's not top half.
It costs -12 or something. It's not top half. pretty sure they only lose th…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95922009-12-17T18:32:50.296ZAmiduhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/Amidu
pretty sure they only lose the top half<br />
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<cite>Dan Barrett said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/worldwake-control-is-back?x=1&id=3440403%3ATopic%3A9324&page=2#3440403Comment9566"><div>Last ability is not timetwister but - exile target players library, then shuffle that players hand into their library? At least that's what mtgsal says</div>
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pretty sure they only lose the top half<br />
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<cite>Dan Barrett said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/worldwake-control-is-back?x=1&id=3440403%3ATopic%3A9324&page=2#3440403Comment9566"><div>Last ability is not timetwister but - exile target players library, then shuffle that players hand into their library? At least that's what mtgsal says</div>
</blockquote> Last ability is not timetwist…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95662009-12-17T12:28:23.588ZDan Barretthttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanBarrett
Last ability is not timetwister but - exile target players library, then shuffle that players hand into their library? At least that's what mtgsal says
Last ability is not timetwister but - exile target players library, then shuffle that players hand into their library? At least that's what mtgsal says God no, he's a mythic planesw…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95652009-12-17T12:17:29.029ZCharlie Groverhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/CharlieGrover
God no, he's a mythic planeswalker with a few niche applications (see sarkahn, bolas, ablaze)....
God no, he's a mythic planeswalker with a few niche applications (see sarkahn, bolas, ablaze).... Cool can I buy yours for £5 a…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95642009-12-17T12:05:45.894Zwvhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
Cool can I buy yours for £5 at prerelease?<br />
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<cite>That Ginger One said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/worldwake-control-is-back?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A9563&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3440403Comment9563"><div>That jace is bad warren. You: IM gonna make this jace and fateseal you, hahaha<br></br> Me: bloodbraid elf..swing? Unsummon this?<br></br> <br></br>
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Like, hes not terribad, but he doesnt do enough asides in control mirrors. But he is good if cnotrol is…</div>
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Cool can I buy yours for £5 at prerelease?<br />
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<cite>That Ginger One said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/worldwake-control-is-back?commentId=3440403%3AComment%3A9563&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3440403Comment9563"><div>That jace is bad warren. You: IM gonna make this jace and fateseal you, hahaha<br/> Me: bloodbraid elf..swing? Unsummon this?<br/>
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Like, hes not terribad, but he doesnt do enough asides in control mirrors. But he is good if cnotrol is back :P</div>
</blockquote> That jace is bad warren. You:…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95632009-12-17T12:02:15.403ZCharlie Groverhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/CharlieGrover
That jace is bad warren. You: IM gonna make this jace and fateseal you, hahaha<br />
Me: bloodbraid elf..swing? Unsummon this?<br />
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Like, hes not terribad, but he doesnt do enough asides in control mirrors. But he is good if cnotrol is back :P
That jace is bad warren. You: IM gonna make this jace and fateseal you, hahaha<br />
Me: bloodbraid elf..swing? Unsummon this?<br />
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Like, hes not terribad, but he doesnt do enough asides in control mirrors. But he is good if cnotrol is back :P Um... so yeah....
Jace is ba…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-17:3440403:Comment:95572009-12-17T09:05:55.295Zwvhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/wv
Um... so yeah....<br />
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Jace is back, and OH MY FUCKING GOD is all I have to say...<br />
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Here's the clues we've got so far:<br />
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<a href="http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/ProductArticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/worldwake/planeswalkerchase&dcmp=ILC-MTGBAN" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/ProductArticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/worldwake/planeswalkerchase&dcmp=ILC-MTGBAN</a><br />
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Basically, this Planeswalker can do the following:<br />
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Fateseal 1 (anyone)<br />
Brainstorm<br />
Unsummon<br />
Timetwister (ish)<br />
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Control is back.…
Um... so yeah....<br />
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Jace is back, and OH MY FUCKING GOD is all I have to say...<br />
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Here's the clues we've got so far:<br />
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<a href="http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/ProductArticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/worldwake/planeswalkerchase&dcmp=ILC-MTGBAN" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/ProductArticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/worldwake/planeswalkerchase&dcmp=ILC-MTGBAN</a><br />
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Basically, this Planeswalker can do the following:<br />
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Fateseal 1 (anyone)<br />
Brainstorm<br />
Unsummon<br />
Timetwister (ish)<br />
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Control is back. Control is SO back. Chapin rates it "totally absu…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-14:3440403:Comment:94802009-12-14T19:20:27.941ZThomas David Bakerhttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/ThomasDavidBaker
Chapin rates it "totally absurd" ...<br />
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<a href="http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/18453_Innovations_Selecting_the_Best_Numbers_in_Deck_Building.html" target="_blank">http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/18453_Innovations_Selecting_the_Best_Numbers_in_Deck_Building.html</a><br />
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So we're all agreed it will see play but we don't agree how good it will be once it's in play :)
Chapin rates it "totally absurd" ...<br />
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<a href="http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/18453_Innovations_Selecting_the_Best_Numbers_in_Deck_Building.html" target="_blank">http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/18453_Innovations_Selecting_the_Best_Numbers_in_Deck_Building.html</a><br />
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So we're all agreed it will see play but we don't agree how good it will be once it's in play :) Right, I mean I'm not saying…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-11:3440403:Comment:93832009-12-11T13:31:57.977ZTom Reevehttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/TomReeve
Right, I mean I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's going to be played because the opportunity cost of doing so is so low, not because it's good. It certainly isn't going to be a big part of any resurgence of control, because it does nothing on the list of things that control decks want/need to do that they currently can't. It's pretty terrible as a defensive card against modern aggro, it's a hideously expensive way of killing people, and it's awkwardly vulnerable to removal. But with…
Right, I mean I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's going to be played because the opportunity cost of doing so is so low, not because it's good. It certainly isn't going to be a big part of any resurgence of control, because it does nothing on the list of things that control decks want/need to do that they currently can't. It's pretty terrible as a defensive card against modern aggro, it's a hideously expensive way of killing people, and it's awkwardly vulnerable to removal. But with that said, the opportunity cost of playing it in your UW deck is still 'not gaining 1 life'.<br />
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<cite>Daniel Royde said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://demonictutor.ning.com/forum/topics/worldwake-control-is-back?xg_source=activity#3440403Comment9382"><div>Tom: I think lifelink would have been too strong. The card seems fine- strong, but not unfair. I'm not sure about it vs gargoyle castle- 5 mana for 4 damage is good, but stabilising well enough to do that is hard<br/> .<br/>
I find it hard to evaluate a man land that's also a dual- up til now manlands vs number of coloured sources was a bit of a tradeoff, this gets around that.</div>
</blockquote> Tom: I think lifelink would h…tag:demonictutor.ning.com,2009-12-11:3440403:Comment:93822009-12-11T13:16:08.142ZDaniel Roydehttps://demonictutor.ning.com/profile/DanielRoyde
Tom: I think lifelink would have been too strong. The card seems fine- strong, but not unfair. I'm not sure about it vs gargoyle castle- 5 mana for 4 damage is good, but stabilising well enough to do that is hard<br />
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I find it hard to evaluate a man land that's also a dual- up til now manlands vs number of coloured sources was a bit of a tradeoff, this gets around that.
Tom: I think lifelink would have been too strong. The card seems fine- strong, but not unfair. I'm not sure about it vs gargoyle castle- 5 mana for 4 damage is good, but stabilising well enough to do that is hard<br />
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I find it hard to evaluate a man land that's also a dual- up til now manlands vs number of coloured sources was a bit of a tradeoff, this gets around that.