You Make the Set 5

[Thomas David Baker]

We are doing this in our Multiverse app:

http://mv.bluebones.net/

(Old shared Google spreadsheet for this is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag7TtjWsLhYkdHBBUHF4RG... )

Channel Fireball just did Top 8 Mechanics:

* Retrace

* Dredge

* Landfall (not for attacking like Steppe Lynx - Grazing Gladehart and Roil Elemental style)

* Scry

* Flashback

* Kicker

* Flying

* Cycling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiNNg5aj-xo

I wonder if we could use that, or some of that, as the basis of You Make the Set 5.  I know that some of you were keen on Landfall.

Not sure when we would play it out but some time in late May probably?

[Thomas David Baker]

I know what you are saying - keep hitting Refresh til you get the 6 Bone Beast deck ...

[Simon O'Keeffe]

I wonder if we have too many 2 power guys. I just made a sealed pool, and had exactly 2 creatures with base power greater than 2 (a 3/3 bear, and the 5/3 citp zombie).

Will probably need some better statistical analysis to see if this is true. Don't know if it is necessarily a problem, Invasion block was like that and people seemed to think that was plenty fun, although probably due to the multi-colour.

[Glenn Goldsworthy]

I think there are to many 2/2's, this is an issue to investigate later I would suggest, as previously stated I think we need a game plan to really sort out the set as a whole and not just singluar cards

Simon O'Keeffe said:

I wonder if we have too many 2 power guys. I just made a sealed pool, and had exactly 2 creatures with base power greater than 2 (a 3/3 bear, and the 5/3 citp zombie).

Will probably need some better statistical analysis to see if this is true. Don't know if it is necessarily a problem, Invasion block was like that and people seemed to think that was plenty fun, although probably due to the multi-colour.

[Thomas David Baker]

You can get a complete cockatrice database file of the latest cards from Multiverse at:

http://mv.bluebones.net/cockatrice/

Save that somewhere sensible and point Cockatrice at it instead of cards.xml through Preferences.  You now have all the cards from our set as the only valid cards.

As well as name/rules text/cost/etc. it also knows what row of the table they go to when played which is nice.  

I haven't implemented comes into play tapped as we don't have any of those yet but otherwise this will work on an ongoing basis (i.e. every time you visit that URL you get a cockatrice file for the current cards, not something that is going out of date).

No art yet, obviously, which is a possible future step for Multiverse ...

[Paul Hodgson]

I think we've got to the point where we need to build a set skeleton. How many cards of a particular rarity/type/cmc etc for each colour.

Do we even know how large the set is going to be? 155? 210? 300?

Glenn Goldsworthy said:

As for the review process, I would first suggest we finalise on set size and splits, then we start looking at each colour and decide what we want it to do and what if anything is either missing or just doesn't fit

[Simon O'Keeffe]

I proposed the following:

360 card set (8 man cube)

70 Commons x3 = 210

55 Uncommons x2 =110

40 Rares/Mythics x1 = 40

This would break down as follows:

13 commons per colour (5 artifact/multi)

10 uncommons per colour (5 artifact/multi)

7 rares per colour (5 artifact/multi)

[Thomas David Baker]

I have made a page that generates the skeleton file as it would be if the current cards were the final cards:

    http://mv.bluebones.net/skeleton/

I can somehow overlay it with an "ideal" skeleton if someone gives me an idea of what that is/how to represent it.

If you look at it now you can see there is an awful lot of "small" on there :)

Another way to look at the set, anyway.

[Simon O'Keeffe]

Shall we just do away with Mythic rarity in our set?

There is probably going to be a negligible difference between the two when it comes to physically playing with this set, and just disrupts the stats and stuff having them separate to rares in Bakerverse.

[Paul Hodgson]

might be a good idea tbh

[Thomas David Baker]

I am all for banning Mythics and Planeswalkers and doing Magic properly.

[Kieran Symington]

Temporal Apercher has to be Mythic!

[Paul Hodgson]

Artifact - Creature Fish ?

Kieran Symington said:

Temporal Apercher has to be Mythic!