Magic: the Gathering in the UK
You Make the Set 5
We are doing this in our Multiverse app:
(Old shared Google spreadsheet for this is here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag7TtjWsLhYkdHBBUHF4RG... )
Channel Fireball just did Top 8 Mechanics:
* Retrace
* Dredge
* Landfall (not for attacking like Steppe Lynx - Grazing Gladehart and Roil Elemental style)
* Scry
* Flashback
* Kicker
* Flying
* Cycling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiNNg5aj-xo
I wonder if we could use that, or some of that, as the basis of You Make the Set 5. I know that some of you were keen on Landfall.
Not sure when we would play it out but some time in late May probably?
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Permalink Reply by Dan Barrett on
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There's the charity sealed event that day, maybe another weekend?
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Permalink Reply by Thomas David Baker on
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Oh, is there? At tgc? Scratch that then. I'll edit the post.
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Permalink Reply by Kieran Symington on
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Always happy to play in these, though I'm not sure we want to limit the mechanics since it stops people coming up with their own ideas. If each colour/colour combination/tribe/whatever was given its own ethos instead of a mechanic then people would have more freedom to make thier own mechanics but the cards would still be tied in some way - like 'land matters' was the overall theme of the last set so we had various takes on that: landfall, controlling multiples of lands, sacrificing lands etc that we wouldn't have seen if we'd limited ourselves to just landfall.
Late May seems good as far as dates go.
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Permalink Reply by Simon O'Keeffe on
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Well I think we did Landfall with the last YmtS, so I imagine most people would be happy to do something new.
I think we already have Dredge, Scry, Flashback and Cycling in our proto-You Make the Set, and I can certainly see Retrace being added in small numbers, so we pretty much have these covered.
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Something I was thinking about in relation to You Make the Set was that we could have more of a set feel if we had multiples of the same commons. The idea would be 1x each rare/mythic, 2x each Uncommon, 3x each Common.
So for a 360 card cube the breakdown would something like:
40 Rares/Mythics
110 Uncommons (55 Uniques)
210 Commons (70 Uniques)
There are a few benefits to this, we don't have to design swathes of cards, we get to allow that "set feel" by potentially having multiples of the same card in the draft, and we can seed some archetypes that require specific cards that wouldn't easily be doable in a highlander format (i.e.: Searing Meditation at uncommon)
Logistically I think you can just play it as a normal cube, as this will add enough variance that you will never be sure that there are multiples of the specific common/uncommon you are looking for (unless you have full 8 players).
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I really like the idea of having a set, although the number of unique cards probably needs to divide by eight or we'll end up making different numbers each!
That being said, I think we might be quite close to just being able to put a set together from exisiting cards then updating it with anything awesome that comes along from these sort of events. Maybe even a set with cards that work well together and make archetypes playable AND a cube with one of each of the most awesome cards!
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Well I was imagining that we would take the collaborative approach we talked about in the other thread with regards to designing this set.
I think we certainly can reuse some existing cards, I have designed about 50 new ones so far relating to the themes Tom talked about before. Maybe we just need to get a communal MSE file up with our ideas so far, and then start the discussion.
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Since I have nothing so far it will be pretty good to leech off other people's ideas.
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Okay, I've just shared my file that has some random ideas in it with both Kieran and Tom (through Google docs, let me know if you don't have it)
Mostly red and blue cards at this time, but I just note down stuff in here when I think about it.
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Good article on curves, number of removal spells, etc. It's about cube but it uses real sets for comparison.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/cuberhauss-%E2%80%93-please...
I have 20 R and W cards (lifegain can be good!) plus 9 Retrace and 5 Landfall cards.
You can see them here: http://pastie.org/3902121
Some powerful and complicated cards in your set Simon. What happened to doing the Commons first? :)
I really like Explorer, Spiteful Goblin and Thought Shards.
I'm pretty sure Rageslaver is broken. Tension Turtle makes me uncomfortable!
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Your 3RW guy seems pretty strong since he instantly kills your opponent if he ever deals any damage or you gain life in any way.
Thomas David Baker said:Good article on curves, number of removal spells, etc. It's about cube but it uses real sets for comparison.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/cuberhauss-%E2%80%93-please...
I have 20 R and W cards (lifegain can be good!) plus 9 Retrace and 5 Landfall cards.
You can see them here: http://pastie.org/3902121
Some powerful and complicated cards in your set Simon. What happened to doing the Commons first? :)
I really like Explorer, Spiteful Goblin and Thought Shards.
I'm pretty sure Rageslaver is broken. Tension Turtle makes me uncomfortable!
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I haven't handed him off to development yet :)
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