Magic: the Gathering in the UK

Constructed League Season Three - Results

Season ends 6th November

Missed Somehow
Jason Howlett	2 - 1	Paul Young
Monday 2nd November
Warren Vonk	2 - 0	Kieran Symington
Warren Vonk	2 - 0	Steve Bernstein
Friday 30th October
Warren Vonk	2 - 1	Paul Young
Friday 23rd October
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Dan Barrett
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Warren Vonk
James Mills	2 - 1	Jason Howlett
Rob Stanjer	2 - 1	Dan Barrett
Tuesday 20th October
Jason Howlett	2 - 0	Simon O'Keefe
Rob Stanjer	2 - 1	Simon O'Keefe
Monday 19th October
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Charlie Grover
Charlie Grover	2 - 1	Jason Howlett
Warren Vonk	2 - 1	Charlie Grover
Charlie Grover	2 - 0	Kieran Symington
Glenn Goldsworthy	2 - 0	Charlie Grover
Glenn Goldsworthy	2 - 1	Steve Bernstein
Warren Vonk	2 - 0	Glenn Goldsworthy
Warren Vonk	2 - 0	Jason Howlett
Saturday 17th October
Glenn Goldsworthy	2 - 1	Rob Stanjer
Gary Lynch	2 - 0	Simon O'Keefe
Jason Howlett	2 - 0	Gary Lynch
Friday 16th October
Warren Vonk	2 - 0	Dan Barrett
Warren Vonk	2 - 1	Gary Lynch
Tuesday 13th October
Glenn Goldsworthy	2 - 1	Jason Howlett
Glenn Goldsworthy	2 - 1	Paul Young
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Simon O'Keefe
Paul Young	2 - 1	Roque Martire
Monday 12th October
Steve Bernstein	2 - 1	Jason Howlett
Kieran Symington	2 - 0	Steve Bernstein
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Steve Bernstein
Rob Stanjer	2 - 1	Jason Howlett
Jason Howlett	2 - 0	Kieran Symington
Saturday 10th October
James Mills	2 - 1	Steve Bernstein
Friday 9th October
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Jason Howlett
James Mills	2 - 0	Dan Barrett
James Mills	2 - 1	Warren Vonk
Tuesday 6th October
James Mills	2 - 1	Glenn Goldsworthy
Roque Martire	2 - 1	James Mills
Roque Martire	2 - 1	Kieran Symington
Simon O'Keefe	2 - 1	Glenn Goldsworthy
Simon O'Keefe	2 - 1	Kieran Symington
Monday 5th October
Glenn Goldsworthy	2 - 1	Roque Martire
Sunday 4th October
Dan Barrett	2 - 0	Gary Lynch
Rob Stanjer	2 - 0	Kieran Symington
Gary Lynch	2 - 0	Kieran Symington
James Mills	2 - 1	Kieran Symington
James Mills	2 - 0	Rob Stanjer
Gary Lynch	2 - 1	Rob Stanjer
James Mills	2 - 0	Gary Lynch
Friday 2nd October
Roque Martire	2 - 0	Rob Stanjer

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Permalink Reply by wv on November 5, 2009 at 9:02am

Can't be bothered TBH.

Easiest thing is for me to do is just leave this league, meaning Roque wins etc.

I really don't care that much. Just remove me from the league. Thanks.

Thomas David Baker said:

I was thinking about this last night and I have realized a few things:
1. If we allow concessions and Mills gets the three people he hasn't played to concede to him, and Roque gets Gary to concede to him then Warren will come third, Roque will come second and Mills will win overall. Which basically makes the last week of the competition about who can arrange concessions and nothing else. That's not good enough.
2. The reasoning behind "games played" counting more than "goal difference" or anything similar is to encourage more games to be played. If you are getting points in the "Played" column when you haven't played a game something is malfunctioning there (leaving aside getting points in the "Points" column!)

3. We didn't allow concessions in either of the first two seasons. We just applied moral pressure to those that "couldn't be bothered" to play until they did play. (There were warning signs here ... I should have picked up on them.)

Given all these reasons I can't allow results that I know to be straight up concessions to stand. So far that's only Warren v Rob although I get the impression there were others?

If Warren needs extra time to actually meet up with and play people to get his fair crack of the whip then we can extend the season. People refusing to play him will be censured by their peers and may face punitive measures in future seasons.

We will definitely devise different rules for the next season to prevent this issue from arising again but that doesn't mean we don't want to finish this season in the closest thing to fairness we can manage.

I'm sorry I didn't think about this clearly when it first arose and give a firm anti-concession judgment at the time. Warren - I hope you understand what I'm getting at here. Name and shame those who refuse to play you, and let us know if you want more time to complete matches.

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Permalink Reply by Thomas David Baker on November 5, 2009 at 11:46am

I'm sorry you feel that way about it.

It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally.

So apologies to all for messing that up.

We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!

Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around this whole thing ... as you say in all competitive magic what you did is completely normal and above board.

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Permalink Reply by wv on November 5, 2009 at 11:49am

Edited:

Ok

Thomas David Baker said:

I'm sorry you feel that way about it.
It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally. So apologies to all for messing that up.

We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!

Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around this whole thing ... as you say in all competitive magic what you did is completely normal and above board.

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Permalink Reply by stevie_b on November 5, 2009 at 1:15pm

Tom I hold you completely responsible for this catastrophe. How dare you fly half way round the world, leaving adults to run the asylum and not expect the ceiling to fall in.

Shame on u tom. Shame on u.

Thomas David Baker said:

I'm sorry you feel that way about it.

It's my fault for not making a rule about concessions one way or another from the start instead of doing it informally.

So apologies to all for messing that up.

We live and learn! Season 4 will definitely have rules to deal with this!

Warren - I will leave you on the table for now in the hope that you will cheer up a bit and at least collect whatever prizes you earn even if you don't play any more matches. I cast no aspersions on your character around this whole thing ... as you say in all competitive magic what you did is completely normal and above board.