Avacyn Restored spoiler discussion/speculation/etc

[Philip Dickinson]

naturally, spoiler available at:

http://mtgsalvation.com/avacyn-restored-spoiler.html

I'm going to hold off on the large volume of negative things that i obviously have to say for the time being. some basic observations:

• souldbond actually looks kinda fun in limited
• miracle seems super swingy (eg 7cc/2cc time walk)
• the flavour text is in line with other recent releases (ie fucking awful)

obvs the question really on everyone's minds is WHY ISN'T CUBE AVAILABLE ON MODO ALL THE TIME, but for the time being what do you think of the new set?

[Thom Richardson]

oh the flip side Vexing devil is the dumbest thing i have ever seen and I love mono R

[Dan Barrett]

Yea, pretty sure I want to own a set of those.

[Philip Dickinson]

power creep is so dumb

[Thomas David Baker]

Flame Slash is better.

And all planeswalkers are awful.

(Flame Slash isn't really better.)

[Paul Hodgson]

So, 2CC planeswalker who doesn't seem to really do anything? Might have a home in pyromancer decks I guess, or in a monoR past in flames standard build, apart from that I'm not really sold.

The 3WW uber anthem however looks pretty saucy (for commander)...

[Thom Richardson]

What happens if you cast sudden disappearance with cathar's crusade in play?

The planeswalker seems really bad to me.  but it probably answers our thread about red looting.  

Paul Hodgson said:

So, 2CC planeswalker who doesn't seem to really do anything? Might have a home in pyromancer decks I guess, or in a monoR past in flames standard build, apart from that I'm not really sold.

The 3WW uber anthem however looks pretty saucy (for commander)...

[Philip Dickinson]

am i the only person who thinks a land that lets you loot is pretty sweet?

Desolate Lighthouse
Land
: Add  to your mana pool. , : Draw a card, then discard a card.

[Dan Barrett]

Thom - You hope your creatures are not tokens! But I think if you stack it right it "works", I am pretty sure.

2cc planeswalker seems great, in that it isn't totally busted, and is actually a very fair card, and you have to work hard to make it good. Probably quite good against control decks on the play, and in flashback based decks? Possibly worth trying in Dredge as a more resilient source of draw/discard?

[Paul Hodgson]

Lighthouse looks awesome to me, it's a better Nivix 

@thom - I think that as everything comes back into play at the same time it'll trigger for lots of counters everywhere. I think Ghostway is a better combo though?

[Philip Dickinson]

i kinda wish it only cost 2 rather than 3 to activate. like Mikokoro was a really underrated card but i'm not sure how this compares with its multicoloured mana cost. the difference between 2 and 1UR is a lot even if the effect is a bit better a lot of the time

[Paul Hodgson]

Mikokoro was pretty awesome, fact.

Thinking about this a bit more, I'm not really sure on where it will fit in. In a dedicated draw/go deck you don't really want to be looting away lands as you are on the hit all my land drops plan. Maybe burning vengeance needs this?

[Dan Barrett]

draw go runs a lot of flashback spells though, so drawing land/looting fb spells EOT is GREAT