SubmitYourDraft.com is LIVE. Please check it out!

[Ben Titmarsh]

Hey guys,

www.SubmitYourDraft.com is finally available!  I'd really appreciate it if you guys could check it out, have a play around and let me know what you think.  You can use the site in one of two ways:

1. Submit your own MODO drafts, instructions are here: http://www.submityourdraft.com/faq

If you choose to do this, your draft will be available for rating by the rest of the community.

2. Critique other peoples drafts.  On a pick-by-pick basis you can decide if you agree or disgaree.  This will cause the pick to get a rating, modify the overall draft rating and modify the members overall rating.

If you don't want to do either of these, then feel free to just check it out and read the draft recaps.  However, signing up will literally take 30 seconds of your time, no email confirmations or anything painful like that, just the basic details.  Register here: http://www.submityourdraft.com/register

While using the site, if you get an error page, then the problem will be automatically flagged with me.  For all other issues, cosmetic, usability, suggestions etc then please leave me a message here or send me an email: [e-mail]

I'm hoping to build up a bit of a community of contributors and critics.  So to kick it all off, I've submitted a couple of my own drafts.  Please head over to submityourdraft.com and let me know what you think.  I look forward to your comments!

[Ben Titmarsh]

Cheers guys, got all this stuff on the backlog. Just wish I had a nice long weekend to work on it all, but those are a luxury at the moment!

[Thom Richardson]

some form of undo?

yesterday i clicked the wrong card and only managed not to be voting for sadistic sacrament by closing the window in firefox while the box for me to comment was still there

[Ben Titmarsh]

Undo once you've voted is on the list. However in your case, if you haven't actually clicked the 'Vote' button in the popup window you can just click a different card and a new window will pop up for that. Your vote is cast when you click the vote button rather than when you click the card.

[Thom Richardson]

as i was typing i was wondering if that was the case, but i really didn't want to risk voting for that vintage playable piece of crap

[Ben Titmarsh]

Couple of small updates, home page now has a twitter news feed and a link to the rss feed. Hopefully I'll have time for a more meaty release soon.

[ross miles]

you definately need a place for the drafter to reply. i would like to be able to tell everyone from my last draft exactly why they are completely wrong. a rating of about 60% with people recommending demolish and trail blazers boots as a high pick. hmmmmmm.

[Kieran Symington]

Trailblazer's Boots is the best card in Zendikar, Ross! As a result, Demolish becomes a high pick because you need maindeck hate for the "Boots of Death"!

ross miles said:

you definately need a place for the drafter to reply. i would like to be able to tell everyone from my last draft exactly why they are completely wrong. a rating of about 60% with people recommending demolish and trail blazers boots as a high pick. hmmmmmm.

[Ben Titmarsh]

Yeah that guy was just wrong. Replies are 90% there as are comment deletions. Watch this space.

ross miles said:

you definately need a place for the drafter to reply. i would like to be able to tell everyone from my last draft exactly why they are completely wrong. a rating of about 60% with people recommending demolish and trail blazers boots as a high pick. hmmmmmm.

[Simon Baldwin]

Theres a comment section at the bottom...

I think letting the drafter reply to other comments is a bit pointless - the goal of the site seems to get a community consensus about draft picks during a draft, if you let the drafter comment after going "STFU n00bs, I R teh best" it kind of defeats the point (plus will likely stop people going to the site at all).

Also, the way the site is set up appears to allow drafters to upload drafts for a) community discussion and b) to allow the original drafter to improve. Improving by looking at things from a different perspective and getting multiple viewpoints. If all you're going to do is upload something and them complain when people disagree I don't think you're getting the point of the site, assuming that you are the best drafter ever and all your drafts will get 100% approval rating is fairly arrogant. Especially if you still think you're right after others disagree - remember that its not always going to be the rest of the world that's wrong.

Plus, if drafters can comment on peoples picks after others comments, then the next step would be for original voters to comment again after the drafter - turning each pick into a mini discussion board, cluttering up the site and probably adding nothing of value at all as all it would be used for is people arguing over picks.

ross miles said:

you definately need a place for the drafter to reply. i would like to be able to tell everyone from my last draft exactly why they are completely wrong. a rating of about 60% with people recommending demolish and trail blazers boots as a high pick. hmmmmmm.

[Dan Barrett]

Simon - I think it's totally legitimate for you to be able to disagreee with someone who has disagreed with you. Especially when it's Boots, that card is the nut low.

[ross miles]

"If all you're going to do is upload something and them complain when people disagree I don't think you're getting the point of the site, assuming that you are the best drafter ever and all your drafts will get 100% approval rating is fairly arrogant. Especially if you still think you're right after others disagree - remember that its not always going to be the rest of the world that's wrong"

i love being called arrogant. i also think you miss one of the key reasons why drafting is fun - arguing over picks. i very much enjoy long protracted arguments about the relative merits of cards- i refer to 'scorpion vs lacerator'- gate, and 'talon trooper vs that artifact that prevents damage to artifacts' gate.

the sight also puts the position of power in the hands of the rater - if inexperienced drafters cannot upload their own drafts (maybe they do not have MODO) then being able to recieve feedback from more experienced drafters might help.

anyway, i'm off to tell someone i'm better than them.

[Simon Baldwin]

I never called anyone arrogant - only someone who expects all their drafts to get a 100% rating. Luckily I've not seen anyone say that yet.

Disagreeing with someone is fine; saying someone is wrong, particularity with no justification or explanation is not. Regarding long discussions, I'm not sure now easy it will be to follow on the site, which seems quite compact at the moment (and with good reason - to fit 45 picks on one page, compactness of a page is a must, and its been done impressively so far) - a long trail of comments would be hard to add into the site effectively.

I'm not sure how other people use the site, but after I look through a draft and rate it I don't often look again (with many drafts there it would take me ages just to look through again) - while it may be useful for the original drafter to defend a pick or disagree with an alternate pick, its not as useful if the people they're disagreeing with don't look at the comments again. And if they're inexperienced as you say they're not going to see any of the drafter's feedback and learn from that.

ross miles said:

"If all you're going to do is upload something and them complain when people disagree I don't think you're getting the point of the site, assuming that you are the best drafter ever and all your drafts will get 100% approval rating is fairly arrogant. Especially if you still think you're right after others disagree - remember that its not always going to be the rest of the world that's wrong"

i love being called arrogant. i also think you miss one of the key reasons why drafting is fun - arguing over picks. i very much enjoy long protracted arguments about the relative merits of cards- i refer to 'scorpion vs lacerator'- gate, and 'talon trooper vs that artifact that prevents damage to artifacts' gate.

the sight also puts the position of power in the hands of the rater - if inexperienced drafters cannot upload their own drafts (maybe they do not have MODO) then being able to recieve feedback from more experienced drafters might help.

anyway, i'm off to tell someone i'm better than them.